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Looks like Wales v. Calacanis is... ON!!! (sort of)

I've tried to avoid getting into another "mini-mogul" battle this year, but it seems I've been dragged into it again.

Today Jimmy Wales took it to me on the Wikia mailing list calling me a spammer and I responded. Although Mahalo and Wikia are doing different things in search (we're human search and they are doing open source search software)--and ironically will be partners on open source software--I fear the next three years will be "Mahalo v. Wikia" in the eyes of the press/public.

Ugh.

You can watch the drama on the Wikia list.... at the very least it will be entertaining: the monk from Florida vs. the kid from Brooklyn.

Seriously, I've got great respect for Jimmy and his work as co-founder of Wikipedia.... I'm looking forward to "evolving" the search space together.

Mahalo.com: We're here to help.



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Mahalo.com is in ALPHA--that means not ready for users, but looking for feedback. :-)


Kevin Rose dugg us!! http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Mahalo_We_re_here_to_help

Today my team launched our latest project Mahalo.com. It's a human-powered search engine. We've already completed the top 4,000 search terms on the Internet and we hope to do 10,000 by the end of the year.

Our Mission: To help people.... a lot.

Please take a look at our results and compare the ones we have side by side with machine powered search by folks like Google, Ask, Yahoo, Technorati, AOL, and MSN. I think you'll find that humans can really help make search results better.

Feedback is not only welcome, I'm begging you for it! That's the whole point of our ALPAH: Tell us how to make search suck less! We're listening and we want to help... in fact, our tag line is "We're here to help!" The comments below are open so have at it, or post your thought to your own blog and I'll link to your comments (keep them constructive of course).

Here's the press release for today's launch, which took place at the Wall Street Journal's D Conference (thank Kara and Walt for including me in such an amazing event!). It also has details of our funding including our lead investors Sequoia Capital, Elon Musk, and Newscorp.

You'll probably be able to find some more feedback on the Mahalo project at these links over the next two days:

Google Blog Search
Technorati Blog Search
TechMeme
Google News
and at http://www.mahalo.com/mahalo_press_coverage

If you're with the media, a blogger, or podcaster and would like to schedule an interview please feel free to email media at mahalo dot com.

Shoulder pain...

Last couple of weeks I've had some pain in my shoulder. I think it started after I got my medicine balls--perhaps I overdid it for a couple of workouts.

Today I start doing some research on shoulder pain and came across this wikipedia page which was really comprehensive. I thought, dang... who the heck is writing this page. This feels too good to be in Wikipedia frankly.

So, I clicked on the discussion pages and the history and found out that the page had a very small number of edits for the first three years (2003-2005), and less than 100 edits overall. This article cold not have a been created with that small a number of edits.

Then I looked at the first edit and it seems the person cut and pasted this NIH article to make the Wikipedia article...
http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/shoulderprobs/shoulderqa.htm

Someone questioned if this was really public domain on the talk page, but doesn't seem like they resolved the issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shoulder_problems

Interesting.

Wikipedia's Technological Obscurification: Three ways Wikipedia keeps 99% of the population from participating

We've been talking a lot about the Wikipedia recently here at calacanis.com, and I wanted to make my podcast from last week a little more clear. I spoke of technological obsurification--the process of using obscure technology to keep people from participating.

Having spent seven days at the Wikimania and hacking days last year in Boston I've learned a lot about the insular culture of Wikipedia, how they make decisions, and how they block participation. Yes, you read that last part correctly. The Wikipedia is currently designed to lower participation so it is easier to manage.

Now, I'm not saying it's wrong to limit participation in Wikipedia--perhaps that's what necessary to keep the project on track. However, I think we should be really honest about the fact that Wikipedia is not an open system--at least not open in the sense that anyone can participate. Let's look at just three examples:

1. Wikipedia pages have become increasingly complex and Wikipedia doesn't support a WYSIWYG editor. WYSIWYG stands for "what you see is what you get," and that means that as you edit if you make something bold or underline you see bold or underline--just like Microsoft Word. Wikipedia doesn't use a WYSIWYG because if they did more people could edit the pages--people without technology skills--and that would make the entire system collapse--at least according to the folks at the Wikipedia conference I attended.

For example, in this image you can see what it's like to edit the George W. Bush page:



As you can see you need code in Wiki Markup language in order to edit this page.

2. The Wikipedia uses "Discussion pages" to reach consensus, and these pages are also coded in mediaWiki so that 99% of people can't figure them out. Here is what the discussion page for George W. Bush looks like, and as you can see it is much more complicated than a Threaded Message board. The Wikipedia could easily have message boards by now--just like they could easily have a WYSIWYG editor--but by adding it there would be too much participation and the system would collapse.



3. The Wikipeda uses IRC chat, which 99% of folks don't know how to use, in order to discuss the inner workings of Wikipedia. IRC chat typically requires client software and to use it you have to learn how to use all kinds of archaic commands. The Wikipedia could easily use web-based chat, but it doesn't because--again--it would create too much participation and Wikipedia would collapse. Here is a look at the IRC director page--your mom ain't gonna figure this one out.



Those are just three simple examples of how the Wikipedia community block participation through its use of obscure technology. Is this wrong? Perhaps not, but we should all be clear that Wikipedia is edited by and run by folks with significant technical knowledge.

Was this intentional? I don't think so, I think the Wikipedia has grown so quickly and has had a lack of resources for so long (don't get me started on the advertising debate that would solve this) that they have not been able to keep up with the growth.

I'm convinced that the Wikipedia is so understaffed that if they did provide simple message boards, a WYSI editor, and web-based chat rooms, that they would be so inundated with participation that no one would be able to keep up.

This is why it is so critical that the Wikipedia take the steps that Firefox/Mozzila has to make the organization stable. There should--and could be--30 to 50 full-time developers at Wikipedia getting paid to clean up the software and fix the systems, but because some folks don't want even OPT-IN advertising there aren't.

As the Wikipedia becomes more and more important, it is also becoming more and more insular. Participation is getting harder and harder for normal folks, and the system is very close to the breaking point in my estimation.

Now is the time to act to increase participation and access to the system in my mind.

CalacanisCast Beta 11 -- Control by Obscurification: The New Radical Opaqueness

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Today's show even has a fancy title:

Control by Obscurification: The New Radical Opaqueness
Is Wikipedia really open? Why is digg moving away from transparency? In this podcast I look at the challenges two of the most important sites on the Internet are facing.

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transcripts
contact: cast [at] calacanis.com

Mahalo on Wikipedia

I just created another Wikipedia page! It is very rare to find a term that doesn't have a page on Wikipedia.... it's so exciting when you do!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahalo

Anyone have info on mahalo?

I'm pulling together a bunch of links:

http://www.geocities.com/~olelo/shelties/mahalo-aloha.html
http://www.managingwithaloha.com/2005/03/mahalo.html
http://www.sayleadershipcoaching.com/talkingstory/living_in_thankfulness_mahalo/index.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061116071240AAShMzY

CalacanisCast Beta 4 (or JasonNation Beta 4--your choice).

Did a quick podcast last night to talk about how I'm feeling. I've got a bad cold, so excuse my coughing/hacking.

CalacanisCast Beta Four... MP3 file.

If you want to subscribe go into iTunes and hit "Advanced -- Subscribe to Podcast" add this feed:

http://podcast.calacanis.com/rss.xml

Wikipedia blocks opt-in AdSense script?

One of my readers made a Greasemonkey script that adds Google Adsense to the Wikipedia (with the ad revenue going to Wikipedia of course). So, users can OPT-IN to see ads and donate to Wikipedia with their attention (to the ads).

However, based on the comments from the post I wrote, it now seems Wikipedia is blocking Google's ability to target the ads.

Why does Wikipedia have to stop users from opting in to this?

We know for sure that Jimbo is not anti-advertising.... so it can't be that. :-)

Jimbo: Why is the script being crippled?

Wikipedia Proposals Part 5 & 6 (and the Wikipedia Weekly Podcast)

Last night I did an hour long podcast with the crew from the most excellent new podcast: Wikipedia Weekly. We discussed my various proposals on funding the Wikipedia. We came up with a fifth proposal:
  • Version 5: Add Google Adsense text ads to only the Wikipedia Search pages with users having the ability to opt-out forever with one click.
  • Version 6: Produce a Greasemonkey script that allows users to add Google Adsense to the Wikipedia. I would describe this as super opt-in because 1% of the population could probably figure out how to do it.
The search result page gets over 2M views per day. $2M views x $10-15 CPM is $20-30,000 a day or up to $1M a month. 60M searches is a lot of searches. The show will probably be out in a week or so (episode four). Here is the link to add Wikipedia weekly to: iTunes

PS - I'm thinking of going to the next couple of Wikipedia board meetings/meetups to discuss the various proposals. I would love to help the Foundation navigate these waters and would offer my services to manage negotiations with Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft.

Wikipedia Signpost covers the debate--in a very NPOV way. (or "Wikipedia will be the #1 site on the Internet in 36 months")

The Wikipedia's Signpost newsletter covered the debate over advertising on Wikipedia in a very fair and balanced way (aka NPOV), for which I thank them.

I have great respect for the Wikipedia and the community, and I believe that the Wikipedia is destined to be the #1 site on the Internet. In fact, I think that will happen in the next 24-36 months. When Wikipedia becomes the number one site on the Internet the whole debate of valuation will go away--it will be invaluable at the point. Discussing the value of the Wikipedia will soon become academic because it will truly be invaluable.

As we approach that moment it is important that Wikipedia become sustainable and my efforts are only with that goal in mind--helping Wikipedia remain 100% independent and sustainable. I don't think I have all the solutions, in fact I think I have a handful of solutions based on my experience in running advertising supported businesses on the Web. If the community is dead-set against that model I of course respect that. However, it would be nice if the discussion could occur without the character assassination. Although at the end of the day I'm fine with the attacks if it moves the discussion forward and raises more awareness for Wikipedia and making it sustainable.

Wikipedia Advertising Proposal Revision 2.0: Let the users decide (and "I shouldn't have used the word unconscionable--my bad."

Wow... that Wikipedia post that I wrote in five minutes before running out to dinner sure did get a huge response. Funny how that happens in blogging isn't it? You can spend two days on a post and it goes by without one comment or link, and you do a throw away post and it gets 100 comments, 600+ diggs, and dozens of inboundlinks.

Anyway, I made one mistake in the post in saying that I found it unconscionable that wikipedia doesn't put ads on their pages. I was talking about from my perspective, which we all know is that of an rabid entrepreneur. I should have said that in a better way and I'm sorry if it came across like was saying that Jimbo or anyone at Wikipedia was anything less than a saint (or even worse, a bad person).

I think the world of wikipedia, Jimbo, wikipedians, and the folks who are building the project. Heck, I'm so impressed that I went to all seven days of Wikimania and learned more from those seven days than I did at the last five $4,000 conference I attended ($20,000 in conference tickets vs. $150 for wikimania... hmmm?). I need to be a little more clear when I blog, I know that. I'm super blunt and when I speaking in front of folks they get to see me smile when I say something blunt, but on a blog you don't get to see that--I'm still learning about this whole blogging thing. :)

Now, there were many folks who lashed me for even bringing up the topic which I thought was unfair. I mean, if you're part of the wikipedia project should you be open to healthy debate right? You don't have to get so personal! Some folks said that I would put ads on the Grand Canyon if given the chance--I wouldn't. Would I put a small sign in a park that said "We thank Sony for their donation for free concerts in the park?" You bet I would!

It's all about balance and choice. I suggest one ad. One ad is the minimum you can do right? I didn't say two or three--I said one.

So, how about this as a suggestion:

Wikipedia put up one Google Adsense leaderboard and there is a large link under it that says "Turn off advertising" and users could select if they donated to Wikipedia with their eyeballs or with a cash donation. Heck, you could even have a selection when you first load the site: I'd like to support the wikipedia by having one, two, or three ads per page."

So, to be clear:

1. I love the wikipedia and I'm sorry if I insulted anyone with the "unconscionable" word--that was a mistake.
2. I don't think we should put Coca-Cola's logo around the frame of the Mona Lise or sell our suit jackets to a sponsor (although, if someone out there gives $100,000 to the scholarship program I'm working on for disadvantaged kids I'll wear your jacket/logo every day--everyone has a price!).
3. I think giving users the option of ads or no-ads in an upfront way means USERS get to choose--not the pro-advertising or anti-advertising camps. If users get to chose who are we to make the decision for them?
4. I will personally volunteer my time (if it helps) to negotiate a deal for Wikipedia with a number of ad partners including AOL, Yahoo, Microsoft, Adsense, John Battelle's Federated Media, etc. to rotate the ad units so that Wikipedia is never beholden to any one party (i.e. if someone complains about something we remove them from rotation).

What do you guys think: should users get to decide for themselves if they see ads on Wikipedia?

About Gen-P (or "Jimbo lays the smacks down on Dale Hoiberg")

Very, very entertaining debate over at the WSJ between Jimbo (Jimmy Wales), the found of the wikipeida, and the editor of the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

It's clear to anyone reading the debate that Jimbo has the highground because the wikipedia process of creating entries is more transparent and open than the process of creating EB entries. Dale can argue all he wants that their "fact checking" first process is better than the RTFC (real-time fact checking) process of the Wikipedia, but the fact is that Wikipedia is *already* a better product on all levels than the EB--and the Wikipedia is a baby.

The big issue is that there is a generation growing up now who expect transparency and participation as the default. Let's call them Gen-P (as in participation) for the purpose of these discussions.

Gen-p simply doesn't buy into or trust any system they can't see, understand, and participate in. For example:
  1. They understand the process of how Firefox is made, and even though they maybe never write a line of code they feel more comfortable with Firefox than Microsoft's IE because they know they *can* look under the hood.
  2. They prefer to start their news collection process at social news sites like digg, Netscape, and reddit because even though they may never add a story or control the home page they know that if they really wanted to they could (or at least have an impact).
  3. They prefer open formats for their media because even if they never have to move them off of their DRM device they like to know they can.
  4. They prefer to blog about their feelings and thoughts rather than send them in letters to the editor for the slim chance of having their voice heard.
The fundamental shift is based on participation, transparency, and freedom.

Companies like Encyclopaedia Britanniaca, Microsoft, or the New York Times, that operate out of control, secrecy, and opaqueness are suffering--and will suffer more--because they are losing the trust of Gen-p.

Are these bad companies or products? No.

Will these product go away? No.

Will these products fall behind the open products in the marketplace if they don't become transparent? Yes.

The NYT needs to open up their news gather process, Microsoft needs to open up their source code, and Britanniaca needs to open up their entry-building process. If they don't they will fall behind--it's that simple.

Dale Hoiberg comes across as a steward of truth to old people and as the last of dying breed/paradigm to young people. Old people die, young people get old and paradigm shifts. My guess is Dale will not be charge of Britanniaca for much longer and they will replace him with someone who understands the new paradigm. My guess is that in 10 years Wikipeda has a much higher Q rating than EB--it already gets more usage.

It like they say, paradigms don't die--people do.

Note: JJ has some thoughts on the subject as well.

Update2: Dave says there is room for both. I agree, "real-time" and "store and publish" models can work side-by-side and provide value. Of course, a tipping point is coming where folks will use Wikipedia 99.999% of the time and EB .001% of the time--in fact for some folks that time is now (when was the last time you picked up EB Dave? When was the last time you used Wikipedia?).

Update3: Riffing off Dave's thoughts, I couldn't help but think that the EB team should use the wikipedia for thier articles and do fact-check for the wikipedia. Folks working on the EB must already being doing this right? If the EB was smart they would put at the very least expose their article creation process in real-time. That would be amazing... watching the "experts" at EB work in real time.


The Wikipedia top 100 pages...

This is fun... snakes on a plane, dr. who, and sex, sex, sex. Geeks are funny.
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~leon/stats/wikicharts/index.php?ns=articles&limit=100&month=08/2006&wiki=enwiki

Views per day Percent Title
1081000 ± 17% 4.4100% 1. Main Page
35500 ± 97% 0.1448% 2. Pluto
33000 ± 100% 0.1346% 3. Wikipedia
23000 ± 120% 0.0938% 4. United States
20500 ± 127% 0.0836% 5. Hurricane Katrina
19000 ± 132% 0.0775% 6. Wiki
18500 ± 134% 0.0755% 7. List of sex positions
18000 ± 136% 0.0734% 8. Pornography
17000 ± 140% 0.0694% 9. List of gay porn stars
17000 ± 140% 0.0694% 10. Comair Flight 5191
15500 ± 147% 0.0632% 11. Sexual intercourse
15500 ± 147% 0.0632% 12. Wii
15000 ± 149% 0.0612% 13. Google Earth
14500 ± 151% 0.0592% 14. List of big-bust models and performers
14500 ± 151% 0.0592% 15. List of female porn stars
14000 ± 154% 0.0571% 16. The Simpsons
13000 ± 160% 0.0530% 17. Kama Sutra
13000 ± 160% 0.0530% 18. Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
12500 ± 163% 0.0510% 19. Solar system
12000 ± 167% 0.0490% 20. Adolf Hitler
12000 ± 167% 0.0490% 21. Masturbation
12000 ± 167% 0.0490% 22. Vince Papale
11500 ± 170% 0.0469% 23. C programming language
11500 ± 170% 0.0469% 24. Bombardier Canadair Regional Jet
11500 ± 170% 0.0469% 25. Germany
11500 ± 170% 0.0469% 26. Italy
11000 ± 174% 0.0449% 27. Internet Movie Database
11000 ± 174% 0.0449% 28. The Colbert Report
11000 ± 174% 0.0449% 29. Linkin Park
10500 ± 178% 0.0428% 30. Oral sex
10500 ± 178% 0.0428% 31. Eric Clapton
10000 ± 182% 0.0408% 32. Pink Floyd
10000 ± 182% 0.0408% 33. World Wrestling Entertainment roster
10000 ± 182% 0.0408% 34. 58th Annual Primetime Emmy Awards
10000 ± 182% 0.0408% 35. Priyanka Chopra
10000 ± 182% 0.0408% 36. MSN Hotmail
9500 ± 187% 0.0388% 37. Family Guy
9500 ± 187% 0.0388% 38. South Africa
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 39. Human sexuality
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 40. Star Wars
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 41. List of Digimon
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 42. Spider-Man
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 43. Neighbours
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 44. MySpace
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 45. David Bowie
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 46. Mozilla Firefox
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 47. Comair
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 48. YouTube
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 49. Breast
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 50. Periodic table
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 51. List of Stargate SG-1 episodes
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 52. Grand Theft Auto (series)
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 53. Cuba
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 54. Oscar Gutierrez
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 55. Deaths in 2006
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 56. Jedi
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 57. The CW Television Network
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 58. Nicole Scherzinger
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 59. Grigori Perelman
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 60. Bill Gates
9000 ± 192% 0.0367% 61. Naruto Uzumaki
8500 ± 198% 0.0347% 62. Led Zeppelin
8500 ± 198% 0.0347% 63. Stan Lee
8500 ± 198% 0.0347% 64. Channing Tatum
8500 ± 198% 0.0347% 65. Anal sex
8500 ± 198% 0.0347% 66. The Da Vinci Code
8000 ± 204% 0.0326% 67. Cannabis (drug)
8000 ± 204% 0.0326% 68. Naruto
8000 ± 204% 0.0326% 69. Benjamin Franklin
8000 ± 204% 0.0326% 70. Sex
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 71. PlayStation 3
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 72. Windows Genuine Advantage
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 73. Mahatma Gandhi
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 74. September 11, 2001 attacks
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 75. The Cure
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 76. Orlando Bloom
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 77. Taiwan
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 78. Snakes on a Plane
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 79. Stockholm syndrome
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 80. Statue of Ramesses II (Mit Rahina)
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 81. Metallica
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 82. World War II
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 83. Philippines
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 84. People's Republic of China
7500 ± 211% 0.0306% 85. List of The Simpsons episodes
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 86. Body piercing
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 87. Osama bin Laden
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 88. 2006
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 89. Dubai
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 90. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 91. Pokémon
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 92. Bangladesh
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 93. Router
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 94. Sniper
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 95. Akatsuki (Naruto)
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 96. List of Konoha Jonin
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 97. New World Order (conspiracy)
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 98. Silent Hill 4: The Room
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 99. Howard Hughes
7000 ± 218% 0.0286% 100. Doctor Who

I don't think free is the future.

Going to see Yochai Benkler speak at Wikimania today (the Wikipedia conference taking place at Harvard).

I had not heard of Benkler before last month when someone said I was challenging his theories in the highly-regarded "The Wealth of Networks" book.

Summary of the debate: He thinks (from what I've read---I haven't read the book, it's on order) that free networks are causing free collaboration that creates amazing things like Wikipedia and open-source software. Of course, I recently did an end run around this process by saying "hmm... the top people working on these free projects would be a great place for me to look for paid contributors."

In other words I've basically re-started the for-profit movement by raiding the top 1% of the free movement. I've always said that the blogosphere was the best farm league in the world--and the 200 bloggers we pay at Weblogs, Inc. are thrilled to get paid for doing what they once did for free.

You see, the real revolution will be people getting paid to do what they previously did just for the love of it. The future is not people working at a slave job all day so they can work on Wikipedia for an hour a night--that's the old model!

The real heroes will be the folks who create a model in which people make a living doing what they love and are still able to pay the rent.

That's what we did with Weblogs, Inc., and that is what we're gonna do with Netscape.

Update: Oh yeah, Benkler has bet against me... something I would never do. :-)

More on Yochai Benkler's talk here:
http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proceedings:YB1

To WYSI or not to WYSI, that is the most important question facing the wikipedia.

The most important issue at Wikimania might not be around quality of documents, identity of editors, or even people getting paid for work they once did for free.

Nope. The most important issue--the issue that could have the biggest impact on the Wikipedia over the coming years--is if the Wikipedia should have a WYSIWYG editors or if it should continue to be done with Wiki markup language.

For background, WYSIWYG, pronounced "whiz-see," stands for "What You See Is What You Get," and it referrers to how you edit text. A WYSI is an editing tool like Microsoft WORD where if you make something BOLD it looks bold while you're editing it. Wikipedia uses wiki markup language, which means if you want to make the text do something you put tags around it. You can see examples here.

Using wikimarkup makes the Wikipedia uneditable for at least 80% of the online users in the world who are not technical, or who do not want to take the time to learn how to "code."

Using a WYSI would make editing the wiki like using Microsoft Word, which would make editing online easy for 100% of online users (I mean, who hasn't used WORD?!).

Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, wants to make the Wikipedia have a WSYI because he is into letting anyone edit any pages at any time.

However, at least half the technologist and administrators working for Wikipedia do not want a WYSI on Wikipedia because it would open the flood gates to tons of edits. Compounding the increase in edits is that these changes will need to be monitored and corrected. Most folks think they will need extra editing because WYSI let people go crazy with features, and because the non-technical people who will be editing the Wikipedia for the first time are considered "newbies" (new people) who will not do a good job by default.

In other words, the old guard doesn't want to let in what they consider the riff-raff, and the way they've kept them out to date is by not having a WYSI.

You can read about the debate here and here.

There is a proposal to do a "semi-WYSI" that is what will probably come to Wikipedia. A "semi-WYSI" would have only a handful of features and it would translate the edited text into Wiki markup (as opposed to HTML) for users.

I'm not sure who does this WYSI for WIKIs, but I see it is linked to from a bunch of places: http://www.wikiwyg.net/

One great site I've learned about while here at Wikimania is MeatballWiki, which is about growing and managing community on wikis.

... talk is still in progress... I'll try and update again.

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Hello. My name is Jason.
I'm the CEO of Mahalo.com, a human powered search engine. I was previously the co-founder of Weblogs, Inc. with Brian Alvey, and the GM of Netscape.

I'm currently on the board of social shopping site ThisNext. You might remember me from my days as editor and CEO of the Silicon Alley Reporter magazine.

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