In defense of Tim O'Reilly, John Battelle, and the Web 2.0 service mark.
However, Tim clearly has some rights to the Web 2.0 mark in the *title* of a conference name. Battelle points this out, and that it makes business sense to defend your brand.
Regardless of who made up the Web 2.0 term (Tim didn't invent--I heard people say Web 2.0 back in 98.. it was one of the terms that was just out there for a long time), it's pretty well established that Tim made the Web 2.0 term *stick* and he certainly was the first to do an event based on the Web 2.0 name.
If someone comes along and does a "Web 2.0" event that is dilutive of the brand that Tim and John have built (i.e. confusing to users) that's is just not fair. Now, I'm not saying that in *this* case folks wouldn't know the difference, but we all know that our legal systems is designed so that you have defend yourself consistently if you want protection. Every time you let something slide the evil folks can use that as ammunition for you to lose your rights. Our trademark system isn't perfect--we all know that. Of course, a call to the IT@Cork folks would have solved the problem I think (and so does JBAT).
Now, if someone uses Web 2.0 in the tag line, or is really, really clear that it's not an O'Reilly event with the naming of the event, then I think that's fine. For example, if someone does the Web 2.0 Summit or The Web 2.0 Expo I think that's OK. However, if they just do a "Web 2.0" conference that's not cool because some folks might actually think it is Tim or John's event.
When I was running Silicon Alley Reporter we had a similar issue. We had the double edge sword of having a buzzword in our brand name: Silicon Alley. Every time Silicon Alley was mentioned in the news or in a magazine got a bump in brand recognition. However, other folks would make Silicon Alley branded magazines and take a little of our thunder. We had conferences in addition to our magazine that used the format Silicon Alley YEARNAME (i.e. Silicon Alley 97, 98, 99, 2000, etc), and we had to defend those because some folks would come along and say "we're doing a 'Silicon Alley' conference too!" Our position was just don't call it Silicon Alley YEARNAME. Call it the Silicon Alley SOMETHING. People did, everyone got on with their life.
Tim *doesn't* seem to want it both ways. He understands he doesn't own the name. He just had some bonehead lawyer do what bonehead lawyers do--write bonehead letters. I wish lawyers would start thinking like humans, and I'm sure Tim would too. It's Tim's job to set the tone with his legal folks, and he's dropped the ball on this one. I'm sure he's fixed it and it won't happen again.
We all know Tim's a brilliant guy (and so is John), and they put on a good show--I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt here.
At the end of the day, if people want to leave this Web 2.0 meme behind they should just start a Web 3.0 Conference... no one's trademarked that already right
Update: Right after I hit publish on this post I went to clear out my RSS reader and noticed that Dave had come to similar conclusions and made the good point that people are forgetting that this is a business. One thing I thought was interesting: both Dave and I waited three or four days to comment on this. I think the longer you've blogged the more time you wait before commenting on something. The blogosphere is becoming more and more wild as the months and years progress. People are guilty-first, and everyone loves to pile-on.... yet you rarely see folks wait a couple of days to post about something. The take away for me is that waiting to hit the publish button is the new virtue.
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(Page 1 of 1)2. The irony is if I wanted to throw a conference named "This Is Not O'Reilly's Web 2.0 Conference", I bet I'd be violating several marks at once, instead of disambiguating my conference from another established conference. :-)
Posted at 1:54PM on May 30th 2006 by Dossy Shiobara
3. Interestingly, there's some real dispute as to the legal merits of the trademark claim:
From Trademark Blog:
http://www.schwimmerlegal.com/2006/05/web_20_v_web_20.html
"IMHO, the 2005 O'Reilly piece begins and ends the discussion. If you coin and promulgate a term, you can sell it as a buzzword or you can sell it as a brand, but under trademark law, it's virtually impossible to do both. (And if I want to promote the Trademark Blog Web 2.0 Conference about protecting trademarks in the Web 2.0 space, then I will cite the O'Reilly essay as Exhibit A as to how I am using the term to describe a quality of my offering."
Posted at 2:45PM on May 30th 2006 by Seth Finkelstein
4. I'm one of those bloggers who jumped right in... to argue that this was CMP's blunder, not O'Reilly's. I was wrong. Now I've posted a strategy that O'Reilly could have used to remain aligned with their stated principals: http://web2dot5.blogspot.com/2006/05/oreilly-get-real.html
Posted at 2:56PM on May 30th 2006 by Liam @ Web 2.5 Blog
5. BS. They are flat out wrong.
Posted at 3:13PM on May 30th 2006 by joblo
6. Ypu said: "It's Tim's job to set the tone with his legal folks, and he's dropped the ball on this one."
It wasn't O'Reilly's legal folks who sent the letter, it was CMP's legal folks.
Posted at 5:59PM on May 30th 2006 by Toivo Lainevool
7. I said essentially the same thing as Marty on Friday, though Marty probably put it better.
http://slashstar.com/blogs/tim/archive/2006/05/26/The_Web_2_0_Trademark_Debacle.aspx
The point of trademark, as I pointed out, is to protect designations of source. The whole idea that something becomes generic - i.e., when it's a buzzword - it loses protection is because it no longer designates source.
And, even though CMP/O'Reilly is not policing the mark generally, they are claiming it so. "Conference" is clearly descriptive, so if "Web 2.0" has indeed become generic, then "Web 2.0 Conference" is not protectable without secondary meaning. Certainly, "Web 2.0" by itself as a service mark is not protectable.
I'd also like to point out that dilution and confusion are two entirely different concepts. Something can be dilutive without being confusing. This was actually the point behind the Supreme Court's holding in Moseley v. Victoria's Secret. The Court there said that, to prove dilution, you need actual proof of dilution, not just likelihood of dilution. Confusion, of course, requires only likelihood of confusion as per the polaroid factors. Congress has since addressed this in the yet-to-pass Trademark Dilution Revision Act, but the point remains that these are discrete things.
Posted at 8:27PM on May 30th 2006 by Tim Marman
8. "The blogosphere is becoming more and more wild as the months and years progress. People are guilty-first, and everyone loves to pile-on...."
But as with much of the Web, there's a definite first-mover advantage. If you post an early comment, you're more likely to be part of the discourse and influence how it proceeds. Not to mention traffic, Google-juice, and all the other good stuff.
If it's wrong at all, it's a tragedy of the commons - the conflict between the common good of waiting for the dust to settle, and the individual interests that want to be heard and shape the discussion.
Posted at 11:53AM on May 31st 2006 by Jonathan Cohen
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1. Waiting also allows you to take center stage after the initial cast have shuffled off. :-)
Posted at 1:24PM on May 30th 2006 by Patrick Grote