Feedster 500 owns Technorati 100!

The Feedster 500 is out� and it�s amazing! Great job team Feedster� right now, unless anyone else out there can top your list you�re gonna get the $50,000 in free advertising!

Scott talks about it here.

While Feedster has come out with a new kick-ass list Technorati still lists Yahoo Messenger as one of the top 100 blogs� hello!?!?!? Is this thing on?

Who�s gonna top the Feedster 500!?!?!?

Icerocket?
PubSub?
Blogpulse?
Yahoo blog search?
Google Blog search?

Aug 16th 2005 12:48AM
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1. Yes, because any list which posts Engadget as number 1 and doesn't even put a no-name like Jason Kottke in the top 500 is bound to be accurate, right? You bitched to high heaven about the Comscore shortcomings. Take your own medicine on this one, Jason. This list ain't right either.

Posted at 4:41PM on Oct 29th 2005 by Mike D.

2. I second the motion to get rid of forums. I really want to see a list that is just blogs. And here's the deal : I want more than one list. I want a list for coporate blogs only. A list only including corporate blogs like Yahoo! or Google or Weblogs Inc or Gawker Media. Then, give a list for everybody else who has no paid staff running their blogs. But it does not need to end there. Feedster started something when it had created the POLITICAL category during the elections. They need to take this further. Use taxonomies to create lists. This to me is key. You want real niche advertising? Have ranked taxonomical lists and in them flag the corporate sites vs. the indies. THAT would be a list worth $50K. I hope Rafer reads this. They really have everythig they need to makes these lists real. Oh ... and by the way ... culturekitchen is there in the top 500. Did y'all notice the diversity in Feedster's list?

Posted at 4:41PM on Oct 29th 2005 by liza sabater

3. Top whatever lists always have their good points and bad, so regardless of the banter, congratulations to a WeblogsInc blog for topping the list this month!

Posted at 4:41PM on Oct 29th 2005 by erika schultz

4. Just to add to my comment above... I'm not saying Technorati's list is any better (or *not* worse) than this one. I agree that their list is atrocious. I guess my thing is that when it comes down to it, the bottom line is monetizable traffic, not list placement. List placement will get you some pub, yes, but until these lists become anything close to accurate, it's probably best to keep score by total traffic. If anyone *does* want to build a near-perfect list, here are the criteria, in order of importance: 1. Total traffic (yes, that's still king) 2. Total inbound links from outside sources (excluding when a blog network links to itself in the footers of every page in the network, although that's a good practice :) ) 3. Total subscribers (to measure loyalty). ... and a few more in the future (like del.ici.ious when it gets less techy) to round things out. Those are the big three though. You can begin to see how one company may have a hard time culling even just those three. You're talking Media Metrix for the first, Google for the second, and Feedburner for the third. Tough stuff to coordinate.

Posted at 4:41PM on Oct 29th 2005 by Mike D.

5. Call me stupid if I am wrong, but wouldn't any list on this format remain largely unchanged from one month to the next, regardless of who does it, Technorati, Feedster, whoever, and however long it is? Such a list is fine, basing it on overall lifetime statistics, but would it not be beneficial if the same list could be reorganised (perhaps with a toggle button) so that it includes new links to the site in the previous month? That way, sites that are popular (AT THE MOMENT) would get a look in, and would also highlight newer sites that are growing in popularity? It's all very well EnGadget having 54000+ links, but how many of those are months even years old and buried right down in the article archives of a website that no-one has seen in almost as long? Jason, you mention in your request for a better system, that the Technorati model 100 never changes from month to month. No ranking system would if it uses statistics that are more than a year old. Ask someone to freshen it up, how many links have Engadget and BoingBoing et al gained in the last month? Who are the ground-breakers? What new sites are gaining momentum recently? My site could have a really good month with loads of exposure and gain 750-1000 new quality links in that time and still not make it onto the 500 (ok, so it's only had 75 in the month it's been running but that's not the point). Work still needs to be done if you plan on giving away $50,000 for essentially a longer version of what is available already.

Posted at 4:41PM on Oct 29th 2005 by Damien

6. Well, yes- any improvement is still an improvement and can only be a good thing. I look forward to seeing phase 2.

Posted at 4:41PM on Oct 29th 2005 by Damien

7. jason cant you make this a true competition and set a submission deadline thus give people like myself a chance, building a system from the ground up will take time, then crawling the web will take more time to identify actual blogs rather then count links of rss files like the top500 feedster list currently does. for your $10k do you really want a system that was adapted to semi-match your requirements or do want a system that meets all the defined requirements?

Posted at 4:41PM on Oct 29th 2005 by g3kko k1d

8. What, is the point of a top 500 blogs of all genres? Blogging is a largely personal experience, its off the cuff, emotional and more of a conversation. You can find blogs on every subject known to man. Who gains from a popularity list other than the ego of those involved? If I want to read from an authority on Italian cooking, would the top 500 get me anywhere? Maybe one or two blogs. Lumping every subject together in one big list thorws away one of the most important advantages of blogging compared to other forms of media� the individuality of subject.

Posted at 4:41PM on Oct 29th 2005 by Damon Parker

9. jason: sorry no point me trying for this competition if thats the date, i cant complete with people hacking code of exisiting systems to meet requirements or passing off rss link counters to define a quality list.

Posted at 4:41PM on Oct 29th 2005 by g3kko k1d

10. If a list were to be really fair I think it would exclude networks like Weblogs, Inc and Gawker. Here is why, by having a series of publications all linking to each other you are cheating. Unless the system removes links that are self- referential within networks the whole thing is meaningless. To put it another way I have a lot more respect for the Daily Kos being way up there than I do Engadget being number one. Having Engadget being number one is like voting for yourself for school president because how many of those links come from networks? Come to think of it I think there is a larger philosophical question here about the nature of blogs. I run a site called Apple Matters. It started off with just me but now, like Weblogs Inc I pay people to write. I have comments, and the site could be classified as blog-like but is something commercial like Apple Matters or Engadget a blog? In the sense of a list of top 500 blogs I don't think it is. For that reason I think there needs to be a weighted list. The independent sites, the true bloggers need to get much more credit.

Posted at 4:41PM on Oct 29th 2005 by Hadley Stern

11. MikeD: No need to get agressive. We all know that no list is going to be perfect but at least this list is a) 5x as long and b) the CEO of the company is asking for--and taking--feedback. Dave Sifry won't even respond to questions about the Technorati 100 (or take Yahoo Messenger out!). I'm sure they will figure out why Jason K. isn't on the list (not to mention why my blog isn't on the list... I should be like #397--I got robbed!!!). Also, the debate above over /. and DIGG is great... as far as I'm concerned DIGG, Metafilter, and /. are not really blogs since they are authored by thousands (tens of thousands) of people... they are more social software+editorial. I'm sure they would be very high on the list. Doesn't mater to me if they were on the list or not frankly. The bottom line is that we now have double the number of "top" lists. (and yes, I'm psyched Engadget is number one on the list... however, it realy doesn't make a huge difference to me if it's #1 or #10.... all I care about is the quality of our blogs. If they are well written they will do well... that's what I've learned doing this over the past 18 months.. you're as good as your ability to write).